Academician Li Guojie: Scientific research can not be regarded as a bridge repair road repair team to manage.

Introduction: On July 31, the Ministry of Science and Technology officially promulgated The Interim Provisions on the Handling of Violations of Scientific and Technological Activities, effective September 1, 2020. For the first time, the provision clarifies a series of types of violations and measures in the process of scientific and technological activities, and the applicable subjects of violations have been extended from the main scientific research personnel in various documents in the past to the participating subjects in all aspects of scientific and technological activities. Order 19 also made a detailed definition of various violations of various types of violations of the subject, such as for the consulting and evaluation experts “say hello” “walking relationship” please trust.

Academician Li Guojie: Scientific research can not be regarded as a bridge repair road repair team to manage.

On August 9th, the China Computer Society Youth Computer Science and Technology Forum (CCF YOCSEF) organized the “19 orders of the Ministry of Science and Technology – antidote or painkiller for scientific disorder?” “At a special forum on the subject, Li Guojie, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, said, “If all the scientific research is treated as a bridge-building road-like contractor team to manage, the violation will certainly be reduced, but whether the technology can really go up is difficult to say.” Our big goal is a scientific and technological power, to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and the community of human destiny, the heart has always been loaded with this big goal, with the big truth to manage the small truth, the road must be more and more broad. “

The following is a transcript of Li Guojie’s speech.

It’s a good thing that the Ministry of Science and Technology has issued a 19th order. Unruly, not square, self-discipline of the scientific and technological ecology to be “other law” under the monitoring of the formation.

To borrow a popular phrase in society: money is not omnipotous, but no money is impossible. We can also say that strict discipline is not omnipotence, but there are no clear rules that can’t.

In April 2017, the Springer Press in Germany discovered that between 2012 and 2016, 107 papers published in the journal Oncology Physiology were suspected of “peer-reviewed” fraud, announcing the withdrawal of the papers from China.

After a serious investigation, the Ministry of Science and Technology has done a serious deal, so that the supervision “long teeth.”

Through the handling of this matter, the Ministry of Science and Technology recognized the need to further standardize the handling of violations of scientific and technological activities, and to establish a relatively uniform, clear treatment scale and rigid rules of restraint.

In October 2019, a draft of the Draft on the Regulations on the Handling of Violations of Scientific and Technological Activities was issued, and Decree No. 19 was officially issued on July 31 this year.

Compared with Decree No. 11 issued by the Ministry of Science and Technology in 2006, “Measures for the Treatment of Scientific Research Misconduct in the Implementation of the National Science and Technology Plan”, Order No. 19 covers a more comprehensive range, and the target of punishment is extended to the implementing units, consulting and evaluation experts and third-party service agencies; In general, Order 19 increased the deterrent to violations, with the explicit provisions, the atmosphere of greeting people should be somewhat abated, the atmosphere of the scientific and technological community will be further improved.

Recently, the U.S. government crazy siege of China, trying to delink science and technology, science and technology personnel anxious is in the situation of decoupling from the United States, the scientific and technological community how to lie down, as soon as possible to make up the board, improve the supply capacity of science and technology, how the top talent of science and technology came out.

Do not violate the standard is only pass, not illegal science and technology personnel are only good people in the scientific and technological community. Severe punishment of scientific and technological violations is a necessary condition for the development of science and technology, but not a sufficient condition for promoting scientific and technological development.

Most of the scholars who come to this meeting today will not be satisfied with the standard of pass, perhaps not because they saw that Order 19 would bring Lang Lang to China’s scientific and technological community, and gathered together to cheer the Ministry of Science and Technology on a timely rain. The scholars who come to the meeting may think further and have greater ambitions. I wasn’t fully prepared, I only improvised two thoughts.

The first point is that a good learning style mainly depends on guidance, not tube out.

History’s water treatment was not the blockage method used by his father, but the dredging success. The purification of the human mind is mainly guided by lofty ideals and the pursuit of truth and beauty.

When I was in junior high school, I read Tagore’s poem” “Flying Birds”, which included a sentence that read, “It is not a blow, but a song-and-dance of running water, so that the pebbles are perfect”.

This poem remains in my memory. Today’s scientific and technological community has a lot of bad atmosphere, which is the cultural revolution for many years after the lack of attention to humanities education.

Although the scientific and technological community is not a clean piece of land, it should not be the dirtiest place in the whole society.

The media may pay special attention to the scientific and technological community, out of an ugly thing on the ground, full of wind and rain. Even international scandals such as the centralization of The Brain Physiology have been linked to the guidance of the previous period of forced clinicians to write SCI papers, which were harmed by third-party companies.

There are many irregularities in the scientific and technological sector, but i.e. believe that most science and technology workers are doing scientific research diligently, not deliberately.

As for the application for talent hat, awards when “say hello” to help people, it is indeed very common. This is a crooked wind that must be stopped and hard to root out. Chinese tradition is “feeling, reason, law”, by the trust of people, always find it difficult to refute the “face” of others, I also often feel troubled by this.

Hope that the 19th document to play the role of cleaning agent, sweep this crooked wind.

From another point of view, this is also the result of our review system.

If you do not set these talent hats, the evaluation award does not need my or this unit application, I do not know what the evaluation of the people in the evaluation of the results, naturally greet people less. The awards of the Chinese Computer Society are basically back-to-back, and the adoption of the recommendation system, the number of people who greet slot less. On the contrary, the Award for Outstanding Ph.D. Thesis is greeted by someone for reporting to schools.

The second feeling is that the more urgent need of the scientific and technological community is tolerance.

The day before yesterday to participate in the China Information 100 People’s Association held a summit forum, which one morning with Huawei Ren Zhengfei boss.

Ren has recently visited several universities and repeatedly spoke of tolerance for talent. He made it clear that “to bring people of different personalities, special ties, different preferences under the banner of organizational goals and visions, it is the tolerance of managers.” “

This time with us, he specifically talked about two people who think that scientific and technological activities “violation” of talent, one is to do gene editing Han Chunyu, the other is the so-called crack Beidou satellite code, was called online as “Han tsinghua” graduate of Tsinghua University, gao Apricot Hing.

Ren always think that Gao Apricot Xin did not make any harm to the national interest big mistake, such talent do not fight to death, should be attracted to return home.

Han Chunyu published a paper, claiming to have found a new gene editing method, and later because some peers can not repeat the implementation of their own withdrawal, has been hyped up, it seems to become a major event of science and technology fraud.

A recent paper by a researcher at Purdue University in the United States confirmed his results, and he himself pre-published a paper online. Now it seems that his original results are only low success rate of the experiment, not can not be repeated.

Whether his findings are really of great value, I don’t comment, but this thing reflects that the beginning of the big blow (No. 1 results) and the subsequent relentless blocking crackdown have been overdone, not conducive to basic research. Why can’t you forgive a little, neither blow, do not hit, “let the bullet fly for a while.”

It is a very delicate thing to distinguish the authenticity and value of a scientific research achievement, both tolerant and patient.

Laozi said, “if the big country cooks small fresh”, annoying people to work, disturbing the fish collapse. I think, tube scientific research is also like cooking small fresh, do not disturb the people, not toss. Scientific research requires a quiet environment, should be as little disturbance as possible.

The results of basic research are difficult to pre-arrange, macro, unexpected and significant results are often random, doing a few years without a very valuable result is also a common thing.

One of the violations of Order 19 is “free to lower the target tasks and agreements”, which may apply to engineering tasks, and it is difficult to determine whether the basic research on the search for surnames is “casually lowered”.

If everyone can do something that will be successful, or because of the fear of taking on the risk of solving the problem to reduce the risk of task objectives, apply for the subject when the general ambush, reduce the target requirements in advance, the really valuable results will be very difficult to appear.

If the basic research of exploration is to obtain the fruits of wonder, it is necessary to be an eclectic “wide species”, fully trust and inclusive, and break through the boundaries of existing thinking.

I call it “broad seed oddity”, and the results are likely to be outside the target of the application topic. Even high-tech development of the nature of the subject, technology changes very quickly, three years later the original envisaged technical path is not enough is a common thing, adjusting the goal and technical path is a normal decision.

If too much attention to sign the subject task book when the requirements, carving the boat to seek the sword, there is a lack of spirit of seeking truth from facts.

In short, if all the scientific research as a bridge repair road-like contractor team to manage, the violation will certainly be reduced, but whether technology can really go up is difficult to say.

Our big goal is a scientific and technological power, to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and the community of human destiny, the heart has always been loaded with this big goal, with the big truth to manage the small truth, the road must be more and more broad.