Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei gave an interview to Canada’s Globe and Mail in Shenzhen on December 2, and Huawei’s Voice Forum released minutes on December 9. ‘After May, we believe that the ultimate goal of the United States is to eliminate Huawei, ‘ Mr. Ren said in response to a reporter’s question. Only by stepping up their own internal structural adjustment, so that the product development system adapts to the sanctions environment, determined to let the company survive, can there be a solution to the problem. Therefore, there have been some changes since May (Huawei) to strive for business continuity.
Full text of the interview minutes:
1, Nathan Vander Klippe, The Globe and Mail’s Asia correspondent: Thank you very much for being able to give my Canadian reporter another interview. It is now exactly a year since Ms. Meng was arrested. So I’d like to ask you what happened a year ago. We know a lot about what happened in Canada about Ms. Meng’s arrest, but what happened in China, what happened to you personally, we don’t know much.
My first problem was that ms. Meng had not been to the United States two years before her arrest in Canada. Does Huawei know since 2017 that the U.S. is investigating and that Ms. Meng is at risk?
Ren Zhengfei: The Meng evening boat incident should be the planning of American political action. Huawei in the U.S. market has long been excluded, in the U.S. has no sales, business shrinks, senior cadres go to do nothing, why go to the United States? So they don’t go to America anymore.
Nathan Vander Klippe: So, not going to the U.S. is not to avoid being arrested there or to avoid legal issues?
Ren Zhengfei: Not to escape. But because our executives don’t have a job to go to the United States. We’ve been treating the U.S. market as a small country market for years, empowering representatives to make their own decisions because sales are too small.
2. Nathan Vander Klippe: How did you learn about Ms. Meng’s arrest in Vancouver? Where were you? Who told you the news in what way?
Ren Zhengfei: When Meng was arrested, I was in China and didn’t leave for Argentina. The company’s legal department reported to me that Meng was arrested, at that time did not know that the U.S. government launched such a big blow, thought it was only a misunderstanding caused by the incident.
Nathan Vander Klippe: You were going to Argentina, too. Did you also plan a connecting flight from Canada in the first place?
Ren Zhengfei: No, i was ready to connect from Dubai from the start.
Nathan Vander Klippe: After Meng’s arrest, he did not call you directly, but informed Huawei’s Legal Department. Do you know why? Why did she call the Legal Department instead of calling you directly?
Ren Zhengfei: She should of course notify the Legal Department first, which is a legal issue.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Do you remember what instructions you gave to the Legal Department when you learned of Meng’s arrest? What goals did you give them?
Ren Zhengfei: No instructions, because I do not specifically manage the Ministry of Justice. I was just telling the executives, asking a lawyer to deal with Canada in the manner of Canadian law. We insist on the legal line to solve the problem.
3. Nathan Vander Klippe: You just said, at first, you thought it was a misunderstanding, a legal misunderstanding. So when did you realize that this could be more significant, not only for Ms. Meng, but also for the entire company?
Ren Zhengfei: The United States issued a “5.16” entity list sanctions ban, we realize that Meng night boat is as a political catcher, the United States wants to seize Meng night boat as a bargaining chip to fight Huawei.
Nathan Vander Klippe: So from December last year to May this year, you always thought it was an accident, a misunderstanding?
Ren Zhengfei: I think so.
Nathan Vander Klippe: So what did you think should be done?
Ren Zhengfei: Hire a lawyer.
Nathan Vander Klippe: After May, how do you think you should solve this problem? Has your thoughts changed, for example, how long do you think this matter will last and how should it be resolved?
Ren Zhengfei: After May, we believe that the ultimate goal of the United States is to eliminate Huawei, the Meng night boat incident is only the beginning. Only by stepping up their own internal structural adjustment, so that the product development system adapts to the sanctions environment, determined to let the company survive, can there be a solution to the problem. As a result, there have been some changes since May, and efforts are being made to do business continuity.
4, Nathan Vander Klippe: Before her arrest in Canada, Ms. Meng had been to six other countries that had signed extradition agreements with the United States. In addition, she intends to travel from Canada to Mexico and Argentina. The two countries have also signed extradition agreements with the United States. In your opinion, why did Washington choose to arrest Meng in Canada?
Ren Zhengfei: This question should be asked in Washington. If we had known that Washington had made such a decision, we would not have gone to Canada, nor would we have suffered in the middle of Canada.”
Nathan Vander Klippe: There is a saying in Canada that the United States thinks Canada is a weak country, and the Demands made by the United States will be accepted. Do you think this is one of the reasons why the United States chose Canada to do this?
Ren Zhengfei: I don’t think so, because I think Canada is a great country. Canadians and Americans are already a people, and canada and the United States are at odds over the issue of Indians, only to split into two countries. In my mind, Canadians are a little bigger, canadians are a little more noble. Politeness and compliance with the rules do not mean weakness.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Do you think Canada has complied with these rules? Canada has also suffered a number of consequences, including in terms of exports and the treatment of certain Canadian citizens. Do you think these consequences are fair to Canada?
Ren Zhengfei: I’m not talking about whether Canada is following the rules in this matter, but about the way Canada has dealt with Indians for centuries and the United States, and from that point of view, Canada is noble.
Nathan Vander Klippe: In Ms. Meng’s case, do you think Canada is just following the rules or is it political interference?
Ren Zhengfei: I think that the Meng night boat incident is clearly American political interference, Canada has suffered, should let Trump repay you.
Nathan Vander Klippe: What was Huawei’s first reaction after Ms. Meng’s arrest? Did you let Ms. Meng’s family leave Canada immediately? Did her family stay in Canada after her arrest?
Ren Zhengfei: Meng’s family arrangements, the company did not intervene. The company is primarily in Canada to hire lawyers to pass Canadian law to protect her rights.
5, Nathan Vander Klippe: Huawei has a way to retaliate if it wants to retaliate against Canada, for example, Huawei sells equipment to Canadian telecom operators, and Huawei hires many local employees in Canada. But you choose not to retaliate. Why? You have the ability to retaliate against Canada.
Ren Zhengfei: Because we think Canada is a great country. As the United States moves toward severity, Canada should become more open, and openness will give Canada a huge opportunity. For example, now some large international conferences, many scientists can not get a U.S. visa, can be held in Canada, U.S. scientists to Canada is also very close, do not need a visa is also very convenient. Scientists from all over the world can go to Canada, and the rise of Canada as a new technology hub is possible. Our determination to choose Canada as a better base for development has not wavered.
Second, in the development of artificial intelligence, the world’s three “fathers of artificial intelligence” are in Canada, so we also want to surround these scientists to strengthen investment and development in this area. Not because individual events in Meng’s boat affect our strategic development and investment in Canada, Meng’s night boat incident will pass, but Canada is always there, we can not arbitrarily give up the strategic development in a country.
We also note the recent debate in Canada, where some people have suggested that “Huawei’s 5G should be chosen”, and if Canada does choose Huawei’s 5G, we will fully support Canada in building 5G. It turned out that we thought that Canada, under the wall of the United States, had thought of giving up its plans to do 5G in Canada. If Canada adopts 5G, it could use artificial intelligence to use artificial intelligence to use the artificial intelligence program, and in driverless technology, Huawei would be in the advanced position in the world, driving mining equipment first, driving agricultural machinery, for example, unmanned farms and allowing tractors to farm around the clock. Canada will increase many agricultural production, minerals, and greatly improve the lives and material wealth of the Canadian people. Of course, someone else needs to refuel.
Canada has such a good foundation of artificial intelligence, if Canada put artificial intelligence as a national strategy, it is likely to be in the forefront of the world.
Therefore, our investment in Canada can not only learn a lot of theoretical knowledge from the “Father of Artificial Intelligence” in Canada, but also use this technology to benefit Canadian society. We will not give up a country easily, if we give up one country for one thing, give up another country . . . then we have no place in the world.
6, Nathan Vander Klippe: The situation facing Huawei in the U.S. is not improving over time. The last time I spoke to you, you mentioned Huawei’s expansion plans in Canada, such as buying land in major cities in Canada. What is the scale of the business expansion plan you talked about last time? For example, how many people are going to be expanded? In addition, does Huawei intend to use Canada as its headquarters throughout North America?
Ren Zhengfei: Our workforce in Canada has expanded to 1,200, two-thirds of our research and development staff, and will continue to invest more in the future. Because we don’t have a U.S. market in North America, the market headquarters is still in Mexico, but the research and development center will move out of the U.S. and will be Centered in Canada.
Nathan Vander Klippe: When to move to Canada?
Ren Zhengfei: The number of employees in Canada is increasing, which is gradual, and we have increased by 300 in Canada this year. Under the U.S. entity list ban, we and Americans are unable to send e-mails or phone calls… Access to technology, which hinders development in the United States, will move development to Canada.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Did i just talk about moving the research and development center to Canada, which is a very big move? Is it only a few dozen people involved or a very large-scale migration?
Ren Zhengfei: should be very large-scale, step by step. This raises the issue of whether U.S. citizens and U.S. green card holders are eligible for physical inventory sanctions in Canada, which is an important consideration in our decision-making. If U.S. citizens and U.S. green card holders are not subject to the physical list, our research facility in Canada should be large. Now the U.S. entity list is not only a blow to our parts supply, but also to cut off our cooperation with universities and academic organizations, the next step depends on whether its list of entities has a scope of relaxation of U.S. citizens and people with U.S. green cards can work in Huawei, whether we can work at our Canadian research center, This is also one of the very important foundations of our development.
7, Nathan Vander Klippe: Looking back over the past year, the Canadian government now believes that John Bolton, the former U.S. national security adviser, was behind Ms. Meng’s arrest in Canada. If this statement is true, it shows that the pressure to arrest Ms Meng does not come from the judicial system. How will this affect Canada’s handling of The Meng’s extradition case?
Ren Zhengfei: Yesterday I saw your Globe and Mail report, can be referenced, but not yet can be verified. I apologize for Canada’s intake among the United States and Huawei. But this has happened, or need a proper way to solve it.
Canada is a great country of law, and the RCMP has done something illegal in the course of law enforcement and does not affect Canada’s greatness. But in these key nodes, the mounted police have already vowed to seriously recall, seriously speak clearly, can not choose the collective amnesia, aphasia …. This is conducive to dealing with Meng’s case. Huawei did not stop the development in Canada because of the Meng evening boat incident, hoping that the resolution of the Meng Evening Boat incident will push China and Canada towards normalization, and also hope that the tense situation between the two countries will be eased and normal cooperative relations, which is our expectation.
The United States is closing in, and Canada needs to open its arms and embrace the talent that has been ostracized by the United States. If these talents go to Canada, they can create another Silicon Valley. A lot of people are leaving the United States, so why doesn’t Canada embrace these people? Canada’s natural environment, living environment… All kinds of environment is no worse than the United States, Canada should develop a national policy, the United States which way is wrong, Canada will hurry down this road, to replace the rise of the United States. Can not because the relationship between the two countries is good, you go the wrong way, I will follow the wrong way, otherwise Canada’s revitalization, rise how to do?
8, Nathan Vander Klippe: In Ms. Meng’s case, a viable solution is to reach a settlement in the United States. Many cases in the United States ended up in a settlement agreement. Legal experts say that if Huawei reaches a settlement in the U.S., the result could be that Huawei accepts a fine and the U.S. may drop the extradition process against Meng. Why didn’t Huawei choose to reach a settlement in the U.S.?
Ren Zhengfei: The U.S. government has not consulted with us about this proposal, which the experts have mentioned. I hope you’ll send a message to the U.S. government and let them come to us.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Would you like to explore such a solution with the United States? Is Huawei interested in reaching a settlement agreement in the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, but based on facts, evidence.
Nathan Vander Klippe: The settlement agreement means admitting guilt, and then making arrangements, either a fine or something else, but probably not going to jail. So, are you ready to go this way?
Ren Zhengfei: It’s based on facts, and there’s evidence of what’s going on. On the basis of the facts, it is negotiable.
Nathan Vander Klippe: I know Huawei has hired lawyers in the United States. Why don’t you let them explore the plan? Can you get a lawyer to talk to the U.S. prosecution about the plan?
Ren Zhengfei: Lawyers in the court and the prosecution, that is, to negotiate, talk about who is right and who is wrong. First, the Eastern District Court of New York will publish the evidence, and we will talk in court on the basis of the evidence. The debate between the lawyer and the prosecution in court is a relatively loud negotiation, and after we get the facts straight, it can be a smaller negotiation, quietly talk, talk about some terms of exchange. It’s all negotiations.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Huawei is now in the process of talking in court. When do you think you’ll turn to a smaller conversation? When will you have a specific discussion about reaching some kind of settlement?
Ren Zhengfei: If the U.S. government can’t find evidence, it has no reason to speak a little smaller, and our voice smaller. At that time we do not negotiate in court, can go to the coffee shop to negotiate, if the sound is too loud, affect the surrounding guests, the sound will naturally be small. Then there will be a question of compensation for “you have one more drink, or i’ll have one more drink”. If the United States is wrong, it will pay for our reputational damage.
Nathan Vander Klippe: To be fair, the United States has given a lot of evidence, some of which is about Ms. Meng, or about her dealings with several banks. According to U.S. prosecutors, she made false statements about Huawei’s relationship with Skycom. Did you instruct her to do so?
Ren Zhengfei: If the U.S. government wants to produce evidence, it should be presented through the courts, but so far we haven’t seen that the Eastern District Court of New York will produce evidence as soon as possible.
Nathan Vander Klippe: But the U.S. has released written testimony and a copy of the PPT at the time of Ms. Meng’s statement. This is evidence disclosed through legal channels, and the evidence shows that, as the US says, she made false statements about Huawei’s relationship with Skycom. Did you instruct her to do this?
Ren Zhengfei: I didn’t instruct, but I think the Eastern District Court of New York should open the evidence as soon as possible and sit as soon as possible.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Why did Skycom, which has been known to have been a subsidiary of Huawei, describe its relationship with Skycom, say that Skycom has been divested from Huawei?
Ren Zhengfei: The issue is still in court.
9, Nathan Vander Klippe: Canada is currently engaged in discussions on 5G policy. Has Huawei or you and Canadian government officials ever been in contact with a 5G review of Canada?
Ren Zhengfei: No. Because owning 5G devices is not just Huawei, but Ericsson. Whether the Canadian government adopts 5G is one thing, and whether to choose Ericsson or Huawei is the second matter, it is up to the Canadian government to decide. If we decide to do 5G for us, we’ll do it, and if we decide not to do 5G, our investment in Canada won’t change. We will continue to invest in Canada without changing.
Nathan Vander Klippe: The Canadian government operates a hub for testing cyber security for digital products, much like the Cyber Security Certification Centre, which began operating in the UK in 2010. The Canadian center has also tested Huawei’s 4G devices before, has it started testing Huawei’s 5G devices?
Ren Zhengfei: There are no plans to set up a cyber security testing centre in Canada, but Canada and the UK are allies that can go to the UK to test it.
10. Nathan Vander Klippe: In September, you offered to license 5G technology to other countries. At the beginning of last month, you said that so far, no U.S. telecommunications company has expressed interest, please ask this matter is updated? Is Huawei serious about proposing a 5G license? Have you established a data room for other companies to see the specific license content? Does Huawei price 5G technology licenses?
Ren Zhengfei: First, no U.S. companies have asked us for permission. Second, our licenseises are comprehensive and there are no restrictions. This is a very big decision-making issue, and it is understandable that American companies take a long time to think about it.
Nathan Vander Klippe: How much is 5G license price? How much is it about?
Ren Zhengfei: It’s a difficult thing to make, and it means it’s a big number. If the numbers were small, American companies would have made a decision.
11. Nathan Vander Klippe: Back to the previous question about the settlement agreement, do you think signing the settlement agreement was one of the ways to get Canada to release Meng?
Ren Zhengfei: No, because Meng night boat itself did not commit a crime, should be released. Our lawsuit with the United States, first of all in court to find out who is right and who is wrong, not before the confession of a free confession to block a sum of money? Make a fine, it’s a bribe by law. You can’t pay a bribe to the U.S. government, you can’t tell you what’s wrong in court, you can get it published in front of the world, you can have coffee in the coffee shop, and then you can decide the question of “you have two more drinks, I have two more drinks”. But I won’t compromise until the evidence is clear.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Doesn’t you sound like you’re interested in a settlement?
Ren Zhengfei: First of all, we can find out who is right and who is wrong, we can discuss reconciliation.
12, Nathan Vander Klippe: I’d like to ask you one more legal question. Huawei plans to sue the FCC over a decision on operators in rural Areas of the United States. Is this news true? Does Huawei currently intend to initiate other legal action in the United States? Since Huawei has little business in the U.S., why file a lawsuit? It doesn’t seem to pay you much.
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, we will sue the FCC. Because this is our right under the U.S. Constitution, we have the right to serve the American people; We are defending the right of the U.S. Constitution to serve the American people.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Will Huawei bring more lawsuits against the U.S. in the future? As far as I know, this is the sixth.
Ren Zhengfei: Maybe more, depending on whether our lawyer resources are busy.
13, Nathan Vander Klippe: When you first talked about 5G licensing, it was a very novel solution for Huawei. You have been asked many times whether Huawei is considering adjusting the company’s structure to gain the trust of other countries. I’d like to know if you’ve considered scenarios mentioned by others, such as splitting up your business or moving some of your operations to another country. Have you considered any other significant corporate restructuring?
Ren Zhengfei: First, our governance structure is already open and transparent, does not need outsiders to come in, nor does it need outside capital to come in. In serving people around the world, we are a responsible company, not one or two outsiders can represent our transparency. Second, we may not have to consider whether the business is split, we will not do this and we will not let capital in. Third, will we build some big factories in Europe? Sure.
14, Nathan Vander Klippe: You said you would consider a settlement, would you consider accepting a plea agreement?
Ren Zhengfei: Impossible.
Nathan Vander Klippe: But it’s a quick way to fix the problem. More than 90 percent of u.S. cases are settled through plea agreements.
Ren Zhengfei: Principle issues, or to clarify the facts and evidence later to discuss reconciliation.
Nathan Vander Klippe: For many people in the United States, a plea agreement can avoid jail time. This may help your daughter avoid jail time. Isn’t that an attractive choice?
Ren Zhengfei: She has no sin, how can she go to jail? Canadian justice is just. The United States is making this approach, is to force our company to compromise.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Given your company’s business developments and your daughter’s situation, do you still think a plea agreement is not worth considering?
Ren Zhengfei: Not worth considering.
15, Nathan Vander Klippe: You talked about your plans to build a plant in Europe. Why did Huawei choose to build a plant in Europe? South-East Asia and Mexico have lower labor costs. Why Europe?
Ren Zhengfei: We don’t think about cost, we think about strategic needs.
Nathan Vander Klippe: There are reports that the Mate 30 phone doesn’t contain any U.S. technology. Can you elaborate? I know that Huawei employees have worked very hard this year to get rid of the dependence on American technology. How long do you think it will take for Huawei’s consumer devices to get rid of their dependence on U.S. technology?
Ren Zhengfei: It should be next year.
Nathan Vander Klippe: You thought it would take two or three years at first, didn’t you?
Ren Zhengfei: This year plus next year, is not two years?
Nathan Vander Klippe: Faster than you expected?
Ren Zhengfei: No, the end of next year is not equivalent to three years?
16, Nathan Vander Klippe: I’d like to ask you to clarify the issue of building a plant in Europe. What products are you going to produce in your factory in Europe? When will production begin?
Ren Zhengfei: the production of 5G, large scale, the program is still being demonstrated.
17, Nathan Vander Klippe: The past year has been an extraordinary one for Huawei and for you personally. Your personal role in Huawei’s external communications has also changed dramatically. Can you talk about how Huawei’s focus on public relations and government communications has changed over the past year? Do you know how much Huawei is spending on this now? Is this work more important to you than ever before?
Ren Zhengfei: First, the company is in a critical period, I personally have a duty to stand up. Second, over the years, public relations has been coordinated by many countries around the world, gaining the understanding of so many countries and operators. Now we give up public relations when we don’t really understand our country, and we put more effort into understanding our country. The total budget doesn’t increase much when the money you save goes to the other.
18, Nathan Vander Klippe: After what has happened over the past year, many people want to know how Huawei will build or rebuild trust in countries. If you refer to the trust issue as a “trust deficit”, do you think the “trust deficit” is Huawei’s problem, China’s problem, or the Chinese company’s problem?
Ren Zhengfei: In terms of trust, Huawei not only has no deficit this year, but also has a lot of revenue this year, because the U.S. government is so powerful to help us promote around the world. If there were some countries in the past to China will be suspicious of the letter, the United States hit, they trust “the original you are so strong.” The number of visitors to our company has increased by 69% this year, and to see that the version we produce on our production line is out of the U.S. device, they take it back for testing and find it very good, and they build confidence. At the same time, they saw with their own eyes, we go to and from work a lot of shuttles, the crowd surge, we have a lot of canteens, every canteen to eat is full of people, employees also buy meat to eat, and then look at our production line, 24 hours a day, they are more confidence. So trust doesn’t have a deficit, but trust grows a lot.
When the physical list was first sanctioned, we predicted a decline in financial data, but in reality it’s almost the end of the year, and we’ve had a lot of growth this year without a crisis of confidence.
19, Nathan Vander Klippe: Huawei’s growth this year has been very strong. I would like to ask: Is Huawei’s business growth mainly due to the Chinese market? Is it due to subsidies provided to Huawei by state-owned telecommunications companies?
Ren Zhengfei: The main growth of network equipment overseas, priority to ensure overseas supply. Terminal equipment, overseas markets weakened, the Chinese market has increased.
20, Nathan Vander Klippe: Just now Huawei employees pointed out that the construction of a plant in Europe is still in the feasibility stage. So, I would like to ask, what are the benefits of Huawei transferring a lot of production to Europe and other places? Can we help China solve the problem?
Ren Zhengfei: Our production plants use artificial intelligence to bypass the European welfare community and bythe union. Although the cost will increase slightly, it will strengthen Europe’s trust in us, increase tax and employment targets for Europe, and help us to work more closely together in Europe.
21, Nathan Vander Klippe: Huawei is developing its “intelligent monitoring business”. Why did Huawei choose to go into such a business business when the U.S. accuses Huawei of using its own equipment for espionage? The head of your business area, Duan Patriot, said Huawei was number one in the field.
Ren Zhengfei: Human society will become a intelligent society, including cloud society, this is a very large information network, the United States is also competing for this opportunity to enter the cloud society. Today’s communication network, tomorrow will become a cloud network, the openness of the cloud society is unprecedented we have encountered. Smart city is a start.
22. Nathan Vander Klippe: Mr. John Suffolk, Huawei’s Chief Privacy Officer, was asked in the UK whether Huawei should also be held ethically responsible for its cooperation with government agencies such as the Xinjiang Public Security Bureau, especially with regard to the target of the sale. He replied that Huawei felt responsible. Many of the technologies developed by Huawei could be exploited by the government, seriously affecting people’s freedoms. Do you think Huawei has an ethical responsibility to evaluate your sales partners?
Ren Zhengfei: I’ve seen a recent article in The Globe and Mail on Xinjiang, and I welcome you to do more research. Do you think the Way the United States solves the Middle East problem is good for the people, or is China’s way of solving the Xinjiang problem good to the people? Xinjiang has stabilized over the years, with no major social cases or events, and the economy is developing. If wealth increases and the distribution of wealth is rationalized, many contradictions will be gradually resolved. The United States should also help stabilize the Middle East, help the Middle East to develop its economy, and help the people of the Middle East out of poverty, so that the United States will stand at the moral high point.
Nathan Vander Klippe: What do you mean is that the United States is not on the moral high ground in this regard?
Ren Zhengfei: America has ah, it has done it well. The United States decades ago established a correct international system, maintained world peace and development, and made a contribution, and the world’s return to the United States was recognition of the international monetary status of the United States dollar. But is the United States undermining the international order it has established, and if it restores the normal order of the past, does it not stand on the moral high ground?
23, Nathan Vander Klippe: You used to talk about the worship of America. Your employee told me that your favorite coffee is American coffee, that you’ve seen the Star Trek movie, and you’ve been to the U.S. You also said before that the United States is at the summit of Mount Everest while China is at the foot of mount. Do you think you’ll see the U.S. lose its technological, and perhaps economic, dominance, in your lifetime?
Ren Zhengfei: I believe the United States is very good. Gingrich, a former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, said Huawei was good. With the exception of 5G, the United States is leading.
I think the United States has made a big contribution to the 5G industry. In the initial development stage of 4G, the United States proposed WiMAX, WiMAX is proposed by computer engineers, computer engineers are generally young, dare to dare to do, put forward a lot of new ideas, but they are young, not professional to the telecommunications industry. The telecommunications industry needs to be covered all over the world, the whole network, too complex, ITU set up the global telecommunications standards than this house many times larger. Getting familiar with this standard takes time, and scientists in the telecommunications industry are older and conservative. WiMAX uses a lot of core technologies, such as MIMO capacity greatly enhanced technology, to the LTE industry, telecommunications scientists quickly WiMAX proposed new ideas into the LTE system, coupled with hundreds of thousands of telecommunications experts, engineers around the world, strong technology accumulation, quickly achieved.
So 5G is wider bandwidth, more antennas, cross-generational technology… A lot of it is drawn from WiMAX. The competition between Huawei and U.S. companies on this issue is not that Huawei has the advantage of being alone, but we are also compatible with the ideas of countries around the world and realize the ideal of 3GPP. Therefore, our inventions and technologies are also shared with the world, in many ways with Ericsson, Nokia have signed a cross-licensing of patents, and Apple, Qualcomm signed some patent licenses, Huawei does not have a monopoly of technology. The United States is still a great country, and I believe it is true that Ross spoke in India that “in two or three years the United States will be ahead of Huawei”. However, the development of human society can not wait two or three years.
24, Nathan Vander Klippe: Go back to the question I just mentioned about Huawei’s ethical responsibilities, which you think Huawei should take on. Thank you for reading the Globe and Mail report. But I want to ask not only about Xinjiang, but also about Huawei employees accused of helping African governments, monitoring opposition politicians, hacking and disrupting activities. Do you accept this behavior by employees, or do you think Huawei has an obligation to ensure that it does not do these things?
Ren Zhengfei: Africa is a disinformation, and we’ve sent a letter to the Wall Street Journal. In addition, the Lithuanian court also ruled that the Lithuanian Morning Post’s coverage of the AU incident was false. We sell “cars” to countries, “cars” loadwhat what is “driver” to decide. Therefore, how the country should go is a question of national sovereignty, how the state manages these devices is their national sovereignty.
Nathan Vander Klippe: But some of the technologies that Huawei has developed, such as artificial intelligence, have the power to change human society and the way the global economy works. You’re not doing a simple, easy-to-run truck on the road. Technology such as artificial intelligence, intelligent monitoring, and smart cities developed by your company actually has the power to change the way human society works. Don’t you have a responsibility to think deeply about how these technologies should be developed and sold?
Ren Zhengfei: AI is not a weapon. We respect the digital sovereignty of each country. On the basis that we must abide by the laws of the host countries and international law in each country, we use new technologies for the benefit of humanity. If some countries don’t accept it, we won’t enter this country, and we’re not going to create an environment that’s bad for new technologies when we’re developing new technologies.
Nathan Vander Klippe: We’re not just talking about artificial intelligence. Your personal background is interesting. When the company was first established, there were many elements of a planned economy in China, and you have been critical of how the planned economy works and that the planned economy is not aimed at profit. Obviously, you’ve had success when you leave the planned economy and move into the private sector. Do you think artificial intelligence is strong enough to re-emerge some of the elements of the regulated economy, now or in the future? Do you think artificial intelligence can make this difference?
Ren Zhengfei: First of all, the whole social environment should be market competition, only competition will be beneficial to users, in order to force the progress of enterprises. Secondly, the planning of enterprises is conducive to improving quality, reducing costs, reducing consumption, reducing waste, is conducive to competition. So you’re talking about a plan that I think is just about the company’ internal.
25, Nathan Vander Klippe: Ask another question about Ms. Meng. How do you think she’s had a year? Do you think she’s suffered, or does she think she’s okay? Did you tell her how long she expected to stay in Canada?
Ren Zhengfei: As parents, we all miss our children. She will also miss their children, life will have a great impact, her mother and her husband take turns to Canada to accompany her life, her children on holiday fly ingres with her mother. She also studies hard, drawing, adjusts her emotions, and all the details of the case are handed over to her lawyer.
We believe that Canadian law is fair, fair and transparent, and that “transparency” means that all details must be published. We await the court’s decision.
26, Nathan Vander Klippe: This morning she wrote a letter to WeChat Friends. You may have read her letter, too. In the letter, she mentioned her journey throughout the year and said she was better prepared for the uncertainty ahead. You’ve said you wouldn’t consider Meng as a successor, but given what she’s been through in Canada over the past year, will you reassess her character and her future in the company?
Ren Zhengfei: I didn’t read this letter, I only read the title in the morning. I don’t think it’s appropriate because people all over the country are busy working, creating wealth, trying to improve their income, not consuming too much energy to feel with her. In the normal long history, the ordeal will be heroic. Meng’s ordeal will also give her a great boost to her will, which is a great asset to her.
A leader of a technology company like Huawei must have strong strategic insight. You may need insight into the next decade, two decades, or more to determine the direction of social or corporate development. So it’s hard for someone who doesn’t have the insight to lead the company. A technology company like Huawei needs a deep technical background. Meng late boat back or continue to do CFO, of course, this CFO will be stronger.
Huawei’s growth will not be easy, there may be major setbacks, or even the risk of future collapse. She went through this ordeal, helping us to carry on the disaster of the future. There is no company in the world that has never been successful, and there is a book, “The Next Down must be Huawei”, that Huawei can’t grow forever. I think disaster is wealth, Huawei is still a lot of progress in this year’s crackdown, the risk may be a little less.
27, Ren Zhengfei: I recommend three Canadian “fathers of artificial intelligence”: Joshua Bengio of the University of Technology in Montreal, Jeffrey Hinton of the University of Toronto, and Richard Sutton of the University of Alberta. Canada should use artificial intelligence as a national strategy, and Prime Minister Trudeau should invite the three “fathers of artificial intelligence” to drink coffee and listen to them talk about how Canada should position itself and use it as a development strategy. The University of Toronto is close to Harvard University and MIT, and Vancouver is very close to the University of Washington and Stanford University. They led the world twenty years ago and could not “blossom outside the wall”.
Nathan Vander Klippe: In my last interview, you also mentioned to me the fathers of artificial intelligence, and also about Canada’s strengths in the field of artificial intelligence. Do you mention this because you are interested in Canada as a country, or because of Huawei’s interests?
Ren Zhengfei: Because we look at personal grievances and national development. I personally and Canada have some grievances, but human society is very great, we have to go beyond personal grievances to see the development of human society. I’ve had coffee with these “fathers of artificial intelligence” and I think they’re great, and I suggest prime minister Trudeau drink a cup of coffee with them every three months. For a relatively small population, relatively rich resources, relatively large geographical areas of the country, artificial intelligence is urgently needed, but in China is not so urgent, Chinese mouth more, often asked me “if a large number of people unemployed, nothing to do” these negative issues;
We’ll send you these three “fathers of artificial intelligence” emails, which will be good for Canada’s revitalization. This has nothing to do with personal grievances, nor has it related to Huawei. Because I don’t want these geniuses to be buried.
Nathan Vander Klippe: Didn’t you invite them to work in China when you met them?
Ren Zhengfei: They are in such a high position in the world, we are so low platform, if we come to China for work, how to play their role? We are willing to fund their scientific research, to use the U.S. Bydu Act, not to possess any of their results, but to provide funding at full risk. We can give them a lot of money if the Canadian government wants to.
The United States regards 5G as an atomic bomb. A mathematical paper published ten years ago by an Arikan professor in Turkey has led to today’s 5G. So I sincerely suggest that Prime Minister Trudeau invite the three of them for a cup of coffee, which will have an impact on Canada’s strategic landscape.
Nathan Vander Klippe: That’s funny. Do you think the problem is related to the funds? Should Prime Minister Trudeau talk about giving them more state funding or other support when he drinks coffee with them? I mean, if you’re talking about providing more support for these three fathers of artificial intelligence, is it mainly state funding? Or other support?
Ren Zhengfei: There is no need for government funding. When Canada positions artificial intelligence as a national strategic industry, the team will be huge and then make different applications, such as the use of unminable mines in permafrost, unmanned farms… it can develop the Canadian economy. If they ask for money, we can give it, not the Canadian government.